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You have abductions of course, that's a thing which is very much the in-developing subject.

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And I suppose to some extent there's a kind of feeling of deja vu or oh no, not again.

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And I sympathise with that if that's the way you're feeling about this whole subject.

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However, I hope that to some extent, and certainly for most of you,

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the way that we're going to look at the abduction experience over the next few minutes

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will be a different approach, not necessarily a radical approach.

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And from where I come from in Britain it's a fairly common approach,

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it's the sort of way that we tend to interpret it.

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I think it's a kind of cultural difference, the way in which we evaluate UFOs from nation to nation,

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does differ. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

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We can learn from one another, we should be prepared to do that.

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Nobody has a monopoly on truth, nobody can say that they know what the answer is.

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And even though the title of the book says UFO abduction,

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the abduction is the mystery solved,

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perhaps there should be a question mark in that title.

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But certainly, I don't want to make any pretentious claims that that is what we have done.

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We're making some progress towards an answer.

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And I think that is really as far as we will find that we've gone.

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Well, look at this in a visual sense.

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I think that's the best way to do it rather than me just walking along

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because I have a tendency to do that.

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But I don't know how well you can actually see these slides,

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because I can't see them very well at all from here,

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but that's probably because of the lights.

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But if you want any more lights down, that's fine by me.

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Okay? Fine.

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Right, now this is, as you probably recognize,

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a scene from Dignas Bilgo's Close and Counselor's Third Kind.

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And it's the way in which we would typically associate the abduction experience

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in a kind of fictional, mythical way.

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It's nice, friendly, what I like to call intergalactic cavalry

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riding into the rescue of mankind.

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And it's the sort of scenario that we often associate with the abduction experience.

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However, next slide, please.

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First, in fact, is how the media handled the abduction experience totally differently.

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They perceived it as a subject which they could sensationalize.

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They wanted to scare people.

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and told it like it's head.

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So they talk about terror, used words like that to describe it.

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because that is what witnesses do tend to describe.

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They say that in experiences which happen to them are frightening.

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They say that they are traumatic.

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Yet, at the same time, there's a kind of element of oral and an aura of mystique about them as well.

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And this immediately brings us to the heart of the whole phenomenon,

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because it shows that there's a kind of a split.

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Half of the evidence goes in one direction,

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half of the evidence goes in another.

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Is it an awe-inspiring experience, or is it a terrorizing experience?

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Now, of course, you all recognize this photograph,

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and I have to be very careful what I say about situations like this.

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This is a photograph of our old friend, George Hedanski,

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who is there really to represent the contactee movement from the 1950s.

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And to pose the question, is there a difference between what was going on 30 years ago

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and what is happening now?

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Are abruption experiences something which has been concurrent throughout the UFO phenomenon,

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since it first entered into modern fame in 1947,

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or is it something which has changed dramatically,

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a new thing which has only begun over the past 20 or 30 years?

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And the key to that question lies in these cases, these contactee reports,

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which happened to a very large extent in that period of the 1950s to the late 1950s.

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So, there are similarities, but no doubt, anybody who has seen some of the modern-day abductees,

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particularly the ones who approach it with a kind of evangelical zeal,

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will realize that, however sincere they may be, they are to a very large extent modern-day contactees,

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because they believe that the experience that they have has imparted into them a message,

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a message which they then have to go across to other people.

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And that in effect is what the contactee philosophy is all about.

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generally speaking, the interaction between the witness and the phenomenon was voluntary.

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And generally speaking, we recognize that this is a really straightforward, simple problem.

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whereby we interpret the evidence in the way that we want to interpret it.

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So, it was tempting to do it, because we often have our own ideas about what is going on.

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which is still very active today, and I think reflects the sort of only aspect of contactism,

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and I mean, I know this because I've done radio programs with them and television programs,

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and I've tried to talk basic philosophy with them, and they admit that, effectively,

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are reporting channeling experiences of their own,

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and therefore they all actually need to investigate individual reports.

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they are not akin to a religious movement than they are to a UFO research society,

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which is an interpretation of the phenomenon,

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not necessarily any better or any worse than the philosophy of an investigator or an investigative group,

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which I fully admit, at this point, that is basically what I am.

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I am not an abductee, I'm not a contactee, I'm not a channel, or anything like that.

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I was trained as a science teacher,

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the witness says, this is what happens to me, I therefore have to evaluate that experience,

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document it, see how much of it can be verified,

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and then look for patterns and parallels between them.

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You are an individual, you are an individual.

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There is our old friend George.

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He lives out here on the West Coast in California,

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The British branch of the Assyrian society, which is still its heart,

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is now organized by a youthful team of very vigorous and very dedicated people

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who certainly know their youthology.

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This is one of them.

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In Britain we have an annual ritual, which is a bit like your Miss America beauty pageant this week.

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We call it an Eurovision Song Contest.

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and I literally mean every nation, is supposed to have a competition on its television channel

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to elect a song to represent the country.

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Everybody who wants to fix their can write a great song, tries to write one, and enters it.

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and you have to sit through about five hours of this burge being endlessly built now.

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The pop group ABBA actually started in this way, and their first hit record was the winner of the Eurovision Song Contest.

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entered the competition and won the British Heat, and became Britain's entry for this Eurovision Song Contest.

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was a straight translation of his own close encounter, and the words that actually were given to him by the aliens,

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with which he was an actual child.

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And they had promised him faithfully that he was going to win the competition for Britain.

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they're rotten songwriters because Britain came 13th out of 17 entries that year,

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which was the world's performance we had for about the last decade.

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So I look forward to using any channel in the near future.

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I feel we're serious. The first of course is, as Antonio was saying before, the key case in the whole abduction experience,

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Betty and Barney Hill. The reason why it's significant is not because it was the first abduction.

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As Antonio said, chronologically it wasn't. And even to some extent, the Antonio revealed those cases,

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rather than the first abduction, because we have experiences dating back now quite a few years prior to Antonio Willis-Bose,

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which presumably will happen, in most, they'll usually be reported later.

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Also, experiences which were reported at the time prior to Antonio Willis-Bose,

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which probably couldn't be an abduction, and so it didn't become a full-grown abduction

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because the methodology to uncover them wasn't used at the time.

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mythological stories from a few centuries ago, biblical texts if you want to.

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and it was quite interesting because I'm saying the sort of things that I'm saying now,

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that the presenter was intent on trying to persuade me,

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but what I really meant by this was that the Bible was the very first autobiography by an abductee.

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I certainly know the author, but I didn't know it says this before, and I'm still not sure exactly what he meant.

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But you can do that. You can look back at old stories and interpret them in terms of abduction if you want to.

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But there was a danger of doing that because the further back in time you go,

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the less you know about the sort of mindset of the people responsible for the text.

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And it's always dangerous to read into a situation, things which probably weren't there in the first place,

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and put onto a disband that's associated with our own common and current culture.

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is because it was the case which manufactured the abduction phenomenon so far as society was concerned.

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Effectively they were driving along a road, they saw something in the sky.

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This is Barney's sketch of what it was.

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and those stranger aspects emerged out of a kind of symbiosis.

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They didn't all emerge spontaneously.

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They came because the investigators said, ah, now wait a minute, how long did this journey take?

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And gradually they realised that there was apparently a time lapse because the journey home had taken longer than it should have been.

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There were mysterious physical marks, damage to the car, things like that.

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either spontaneously because that's how the phenomenon was suddenly happening,

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or it was produced by investigators looking at the phenomenon in a different way.

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We don't know, and we've got to realise that we don't know, and understand that questions like this,

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what impact investigators have on abduction experiences do have to be asked.

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I think we tend not to look at it from that point of view, we tend to assume that we are objective things like robots

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who are just pulling apart an experience of a human being, and we have laid bare the essence of the abduction experience.

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But very simple happens because we are human beings interacting with another human being who has had a bizarre experience.

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And the ultimate experience that it described enters into the literature of our field is a combination of those two people,

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usually meeting over a long period of time, sometimes working with doctors and psychiatrists and so on too.

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And inevitably, I will ask them the final story that emergent has got to have had some impact from the other people involved rather than the witness themselves.

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So we mustn't forget that point.

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Here's the alien that Betty and Barney Hills saw.

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I feel we wish that we had a little bit of photograph like that of a real abduction case,

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because that isn't a real photograph, it's a still-of-a-mean, the TV movie of the case that we made.

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But the fact that there was a TV movie made illustrates the impact the case had,

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because it was turned into a best-selling book by John Foreck called The Interrupted Journey.

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It was serialized in newspapers all over the world.

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By about the mid-1960s, everybody knew abductions were here,

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and everybody, certainly in Western culture, was to some extent associated with the phenomenon

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and had an inkling, an inness of conscious mind of what it was all about.

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So it formed a kind of watershed.

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After this case became publicized, it was no longer possible to talk about witnesses being ignorant of abduction.

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Of course, there were some, and there were people in remote cultures who had had no association with this book.

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To a very large extent, that wasn't true.

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That's happened again more recently, in 1987, with the impact of communion with Yisraiba,

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and then subsequently with Hopkins and success with his books.

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So we had another boost, and that's of course the reason why the abduction phenomenon had taken off over the last couple of years.

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That's a bit of a point in the abduction phenomenon taking off.

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I never thought I'd be able to talk about that.

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Anyway, what we are there for a dealing with, as you can see immediately, are problems also of sociology.

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Another master is really tech, which we haven't given much thought to before.

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We're dealing with this nice object phenomenon, which we can pull to pieces and find easy answers to.

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But we're finding that there are things intruding into our nice little pile of questions which we don't want,

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So how does the abduction experience differ, where I come from, in Britain?

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This is in fact the witness to the first abduction experience that was actually investigated and reported and publicised in Britain.

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It's kept by the name of John Day, and he was travelling with his family, wife, three children,

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Redbury, in fact, in a bit of a hurry because they wanted to get back to watch a television programme at a certain time,

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and they encountered that on the road ahead of them.

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They'd seen a funny blue light in the sky, but they hadn't paid much attention to it because it just sort of went by a fiddled bell.

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But then, as they rounded the bend, they went into this strange bank of green mist which appeared out of nowhere.

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and John, who was driving, instinctively pulled out all the wiring to cut it off and stop an electrical fire.

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And all the rips had been well until they turned on the television set and realised that not only had they missed the television programme,

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but the television channel had gone up there for the night, and they'd apparently lost a couple of hours of time.

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They had no inkling that they had an abduction experience, they'd said.

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not just the adults but the children too, seeing peculiar images,

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normally of a very horrible face, looking a bit like a fat with large, prominent ears and furry features and so on.

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But again, they didn't associate these with the experience.

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these things might be important, started to put two and two together on May 22.

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And the first step in any self-respecting investigator's investigation of an embryonic abduction

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is to cut the witnesses off to the nearest psychiatrist,

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not to point them sane or insane, but to magically hypnotise them

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and bring out the memory of the missing period of time.

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Of course, that is possible, but what is also possible is that hypnosis can stimulate fantasy.

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Most people who carry out hypnotic research are not sure how information that emerges

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can be distinguished between fact and fantasy, fiction, imagination,

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and all the different strands in between.

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So you're immediately adding yet another problem to the database that you're creating by employing hypnosis.

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Anyhow, we have the conscious testimony here.

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which was a standard abduction scenario of the car stopped in the therapist.

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They were being done through in a different sort of way.

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It was very sight-keepers' experience.

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So we've got a lot of astral projection elements to it.

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Inside the UFO, for example, the witnesses saw themselves.

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They were standing on a kind of railing, and they could see the car and their own bodies down below,

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as if they'd sort of been separated into a sort of astral self and a physical self.

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That kind of element, it occurred recurrently throughout the whole case.

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When they were actually being interviewed, they did so in a very out-of-body way,

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that the whole experience had very heavy hallmarks of an out-of-body experience.

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And also, when you went to the track record of the family, you saw very quickly

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that they had a vivid history of psychic experiences.

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These were not your ordinary citizens.

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These were people who wrote them a kind of psychic rule.

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So the first British abduction case could be looked at in two different ways,

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depending upon how you wanted to interpret the evidence.

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If you wanted to take the UFO party ride, by our mode for Hopkins,

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what you would say is, forget all that psychic junk, it's obviously irrelevant.

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What happened here was that the Evoliant picked up these people,

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stuck them inside the UFO, and they preferred their genetic experiments on them.

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and they basically regarded us as their pets.

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And that they were one of the factors, and we were kind of long-term experiments.

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of their home planet, which was in a bad way,

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and they wanted to try and help you, of really going through the same situation,

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explaining of course why the witnesses ended up with this ecologically conscious lifestyle afterwards.

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And on the other hand, if you want to build sort of avant-garde, you know what I just said,

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hang on, what about all these factors of psychic experience?

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The fact that these witnesses are effectively psychics, so we've had an abduction.

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Does that mean that abduction is just a sort of super psychic experience?

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If there were continuum then, is it relevant?

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And apart from the funny looks you get from the mainstream ufologists for thinking thoughts like that,

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you're ever growing in a completely different tangent, and you don't know who is right and who is wrong.

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And there's the alien that was associated with the case.

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And you notice something interesting right away.

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It's different from the sort of aliens that you're usually associated with, abduction is clearly the case.

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American abductions tend to be stocked with these three-to-four-foot-tall figures,

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with large, egg-shaped heads, grey, pasty faces, large eyes and so on.

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But that isn't the case in British abductions.

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British abductions feature more often than not people like this.

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As similar in many senses to the sort of Arnold Georgiadansky aliens,

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they're usually of normal human height or taller.

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They're usually fair skinned, blonde hair, blue eyes, very norbly, broad Scandinavian in appearance.

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And the fact that the alien manifests in an entirely different way in Britain,

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to the way in which it manifests in America, is an immediately suggestive clue.

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and look for comparisons and the similarities and the differences,

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you will notice that there's a kind of, they don't have national flags,

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there's a kind of national alien almost involved in these cases.

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You'll have to have an explanation for that.

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We did a radio programme this afternoon, locally, one young man, Randropin,

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and answered that question by saying, well, obviously what is happening is that

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there are different breeds of aliens, and they're picking out different nations,

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and they are responsible for that sector of the earth,

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which might fit in with the story Antonio was telling us before about the map that someone saw on board UFO.

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I don't know, but that seems to me slightly far-fetched.

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A more economical suggestion, which might not mean it's correct,

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but it's certainly a plausible way of looking at it,

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is that these differences which occur, which follow cultural patterns,

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are relevant because the experiences filtered through the mechanism of human consciousness,

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and Randropin inevitably, however it's stimulated in the first place,

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would have to take on attributes of the society through which it manifests.

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It's interesting that the sort of British aliens like this are usually pretty friendly, good-mannered, and so on,

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whereas the American alien typified scientific technician,

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who is very good at dealing with instruments,

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going on with the job and not bothering too much about what the witness thought

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if he gets in the way of the process,

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whereas in South America, particularly in earlier cases,

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of the start of the British Newspence,

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we had very aggressive entities who took on a sort of macho age

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that you tend to associate with South America.

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Consequently, does that suggest that there is a kind of direct power level

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between the kind of social stereotype of the culture and the alien that manifests there?

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It seems a little bit might.

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And in fact, the pattern is even more interesting when you look at countries such as Australia,

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where we are not, in which we don't have our functions.

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Now, I know that's difficult to believe in this day and age,

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but you have all investigators over there beginning to find it a bit hard to believe, but they don't.

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They just don't seem to manifest.

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There could be some of the new-up to the fact that euphorologists in Australia are amongst the most skeptical going.

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But you can think we Brits are pretty hard-headed,

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and we're not prepared to take things that they value.

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You're still going to be worse because they are fully into this idea that

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UFO experiences are fantasy, pro-personality phenomena,

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and that effectively, whatever you see the UFO is basically just ultra-imaginative.

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So, in my view, that's a reason why they just mummify the entire abduction phenomenon as a race.

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One of the most permanently visible British abduction cases is this one.

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This happened to a police officer called Alan Rockford in November 1980.

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He was on patrol in his car one morning, looking for some cows which were rolling around

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a housing estate on the edge of some hills.

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When suddenly I heard him, he saw this object which just literally appeared in front, very low height,

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which he first thought was a bus.

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I don't realise that it wasn't because it was actually literally a bulk road, as we thought,

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and it was rotating all the power-pounding windows on the front by that.

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Now, all of the way along the line, I've met this witness many times,

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and I've been with him on the occasions when he's actually been hypnotised

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by doctors and machineries and so on.

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All the way along the line, he's the adamant, but wherever else is true or not true,

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the thing that he saw that night on the road in front of his car was as real as anything he'd ever encountered.

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He will never shake his conviction that this experience didn't happen.

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The next memory after he actually sketched this thing onto a pad that he had by the side of it

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was that he was going to record detailed, nearly traffic accidents,

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both that there is some super-duerking reality, a kind of stunt that happens,

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and he was now fuller down the road than he should have been,

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looking back, puzzled, because the sky was now dark and the thing had gone.

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And we're not sure that there was an actual time lapse in this case.

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It's one of the many cases whereby there's good grounds to believe that the time lapse was an artifact

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constructed by the investigators.

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That's a pretty heretical statement I know, but I have seen it happen on a number of occasions

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where I'm quite convinced that there was no time lapse and that the investigators,

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by careful manipulation of the evidence subconsciously, that, don't even look at it,

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produced the time lapse by convincing the witness that they actually ended the experience later than they thought they had.

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And this was an instance where that was probably true.

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It was apparent that 10 or 15 minute time lapse was ultimately a bleed upon,

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but it was very doubtful.

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There was certainly a space lapse in the sense that the witness ended up somewhere where he should have been

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and filled it down the road, but that's not quite the same thing.

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Anyway, to put a very long story short, the usual hypnosis occurred,

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and he came out with the typical memory of being inclined,

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view and road on a table or a bed, examined by these robotic figures,

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supervised by a fairly human looking figure wearing a long, flowing white globe,

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a good robe and a school cap.

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And the figure in this case also had a very biblical name called himself Joseph,

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which is interesting because of the doctor, and both of the people in the room

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who were investigating the case were Jewish.

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And there seemed to be particular coincidence that Jewish symbology emerged from his case.

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The witness himself wasn't Jewish, and he's a diva.

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The cake is a very interesting and complicated one, and for many who are elements which are relevant,

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by for instance the fact that the witness, when you carefully questioned him,

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admitted that there were several previous occasions in his life

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when he had jokes in memory of the same kind.

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Now, that really needed a signal for a good Hopkins and investigators of that kind of way

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of approaching the subject to put the witness under hypnosis for all of those periods of time

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and see what you could come up with, and I would predict that if that had happened,

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you would have come up with previous abduction memory.

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However, in this case, that wasn't the case.

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Instead, the witness was studied by medical doctors,

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and they were asked, can you come up with any kind of medical scenario which could account for this?

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And two of them were totally convinced from the tests that they did,

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although they never actually satisfied the witness for this effect,

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and they were not able to conclude any proof it's an anybody else evil.

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But they were satisfied that he was a dark, co-effect critic,

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which is basically someone who, because of paternalities in their brain,

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falls asleep for a very brief period of time, wakes up again,

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doesn't realize that they've done that, is a kind of, it's similar in many respects to epilepsy,

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a sort of transient loss of consciousness.

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And we began to see possible ways ahead for the subject by thinking about,

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are these spatial jumps potentially explainable for some kind of actual medical cause?

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Is there some process going on in the brain which is causing a loss of consciousness

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which is manifesting as a time lapse if you evaluate the evidence in a certain way?

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It's also interesting though, although this witness came out with a mental scenario

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which is very similar in many respects to the affictions phenomenon it manifests all over the place,

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he also would never himself totally convinced from the physical reality of that memory.

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He constantly said things like, I know I saw an object on the road,

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but the memory that I came out with under hypnosis was different,

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it had a kind of dreamlike quality, it was visionary in its appearance.

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And it's distinctly possible he freely admitted that although prior to the actual experience itself

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he had never had any interest in knowledge of or had read any books about UFOs,

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in the gap between the experience happening and the abduction hypnosis occurring,

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it was only few months but it was sufficient, he obviously observed information about the subject

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because he became personally intrigued by what had happened to him

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and he said that it's distinctly possible that the level of hypnosis was a kind of limited fantasy

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which his mind generated to pull off the gap.

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Now I think that's interesting to hear one of the best known approaches in the world

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coming out with the statements like that,

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this particular case features a Dr. Eddie Burrard's capitol of cases,

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he's an American folklorist literature at PhD,

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who has produced probably the most monumental research into abduction cases,

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by the British Danymore, and he comes up with a list of the top 50 abductions

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based on the amount of data available and the complexity and importance of the case.

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And this is one of only about two or three British cases which feature them in that top 50 list.

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So it is widely regarded as a significant case,

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and the case is given by that,

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makes you wonder how many other witnesses might make the same sense,

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if they didn't face a kind of peer pressure,

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which they do face inevitably,

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because if you've got a situation where you are taking your witness to a doctor

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to try to relieve a period of time,

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and you are a UFO group and you are wanting to come up with a UFO scenario,

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and a UFO really paying the doctor for their time,

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so there's financial questions involved,

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there are lots of subtle forces at work,

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which put pressure on that witness to come up with a group,

436
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
to produce an experience,

437
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
because that's expected of them subconsciously.

438
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000
So that's another factor which we might have to take into account.

439
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:20,000
But can we explore these things entirely as psychological experiences?

440
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
I don't think so.

441
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000
I don't think so, for a number of good reasons.

442
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Cases like this, which are sort of embryonic incandescence,

443
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000
this was an incident which happened in July 1975,

444
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000
at a place where I had no intention of attempting to pronounce,

445
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,000
unless there was anybody in this room who had ancestors from Wales,

446
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000
and knows how to pronounce that Welsh play-thame,

447
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
for me, no?

448
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,000
Anyway, it's a claim from Wales in the middle of Wales with a dreadful name,

449
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,000
and he was on holiday with his family, he was a teenager,

450
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,000
and when he saw over the top of the hill where he was playing,

451
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,000
this thing down below him, which was basically, he said,

452
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:05,000
like a sort of semi-transparent thing with gloves of jelly inside it,

453
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
it had a very peculiar substance to it,

454
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,000
it wasn't physically real, but yet blended in with the background,

455
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,000
and when it disappeared, as it did, it did so in a strange way,

456
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,000
by taking on the course of the environment around it,

457
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000
the brown earth, the green grass, the blue sky,

458
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:28,000
and literally being absorbed back into the environment.

459
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,000
That is the way that the witness described it, which is very interesting.

460
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,000
However, more importantly than that,

461
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,000
he then went away from this experience suffering a tremendous trauma,

462
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000
a non-synchaeological trauma, a physical trauma,

463
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
involving hysterical blindness,

464
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,000
a lot of ability to speech,

465
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:57,000
physical symptoms such as tension, nausea, headaches, and so on.

466
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:04,000
He was under the care of doctors for several months after this thing had happened.

467
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Now, obviously, Ray faced the question of,

468
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,000
was some sort of physical disease,

469
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
and this was the trigger for the experience,

470
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
and as I said the other way around,

471
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000
did the experience trigger these physical causes?

472
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,000
The doctors were in the end totally persuaded that it was that way around,

473
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,000
that the experience came first,

474
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,000
and the physiological effects resulted from it.

475
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,000
So, whatever else we can say about experiences like this,

476
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,000
clearly something involved with them is physically real.

477
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,000
Some energy must be there for it to have that kind of effect on witnesses,

478
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000
and you see that in the Denning case,

479
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,000
there are two many instances where there is obviously some kind of energy associated with them,

480
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,000
for us to say that there was just a psychological factor at work.

481
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,000
There's another case involving four people at once with an experience.

482
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000
They were out poaching,

483
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,000
and they saw this thing come down by the side of a river,

484
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,000
which they interpreted as a Soviet satellite,

485
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000
but really, because just before this experience happened,

486
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
a Soviet satellite had crashed in Canada,

487
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
and it was very much in the news.

488
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
So, they immediately interpreted what they saw,

489
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:21,000
not in terms of UFOs, but in terms of the most modern imagery that was available to them.

490
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:27,000
These figures go now, usual British-Asian, normal height, fair hair, long...

491
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,000
not the type of figures you would get in the American production.

492
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000
And they brought out this cage-like implement,

493
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,000
and they proceeded to measure some cows in the field.

494
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:44,000
These folks not naturally decided that they might be next on the hit list,

495
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
and therefore decided to make a boat for it.

496
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:52,000
But in the process of running away, they felt a strange force pulling at them,

497
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,000
and it was apparently targeted on their never-regions.

498
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000
They did catch my bridge.

499
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:05,000
And they also had physical effects associated with all the usual thing,

500
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000
redding of the eyes, pounding head.

501
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Again, it's clear symptoms that some kind of energy force was involved.

502
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,000
However, you'll also get cases like this.

503
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:26,000
This is a guy who was out in a farming community in Cumbria.

504
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:31,000
In fact, just a few days before the police officer sighted him,

505
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:37,000
we talked about before, and he said that these two aliens arrived,

506
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000
having gone out of the UFO,

507
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,000
apparently missing so bit of the gesture that he'd thought by bringing up his hand-long turn,

508
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
presumably an attack.

509
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000
And they immediately struck him down with their ray guns.

510
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,000
It's quite a bite. We still have ray guns in modern-day abductions, but apparently we do.

511
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,000
And that is the result of the ray gun attack on his hand-long turn.

512
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:08,000
We took this to a number of physical scientists and electronical engineers

513
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:14,000
to attestate what kind of extraterrestrial force had caused that damage.

514
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,000
And we got a remarkable conclusion out of this.

515
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,000
The extraterrestrial force was apparently a bull lamp.

516
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Now, I don't know if...

517
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Sorry, I'm not here to sense that you didn't know what the bull lamp is.

518
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,000
I'm constantly aware that I'm using terms sometimes, which might be British terms.

519
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,000
But what that is, and you can maybe tell me what the American term for it is,

520
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,000
it's something that maybe the painter the decorators would use to strip paint off the wall,

521
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,000
and it's a blowtorch. Thank you.

522
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:53,000
A blowtorch. And of course you could never prove that that damage was actually caused by a blowtorch.

523
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000
Only you can say that the mechanical deformation of the metal

524
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,000
showed the same kind of results that would emerge from that.

525
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,000
So it's possible, of course, that an alien weapon would produce the same kind of effect.

526
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,000
But the point is, physical evidence, such as it is,

527
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,000
which could provide hard evidence of something truly alien,

528
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,000
given coming up with the goods of early came up with something which was utterly terrestrial.

529
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000
So if we can't get evidence from that field,

530
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000
wouldn't that evidence from photographs of the aliens, the cells?

531
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,000
I mean, that would obviously have been conclusive proof if we had it.

532
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,000
But we have a few cases of photographs like this one,

533
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,000
although I think most serious researchers certainly have taught us

534
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,000
that the one that that is a table top level,

535
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000
I take my life into my hands, I know about making statements like that,

536
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000
but that seems to be a generally accepted conclusion.

537
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,000
What we have cases like this, which is a famous British photograph,

538
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000
and you can see the rain sticking out of the top of the under-old head,

539
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000
but the photographer didn't see it when he took his photograph,

540
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
usually taking a picture of his daughter.

541
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,000
There was a corner, and you can see a kind of space between the figure and the images.

542
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000
What's interesting about the case is that the camera was pointed

543
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000
one less straight in the direction of a nuclear reactor.

544
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,000
In actual fact, if we're not even talking about UFOs,

545
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,000
and there's no reason to do so because there was no UFO involvement in the case,

546
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000
you would probably say that somehow,

547
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000
some sort of representation of one of the workers at the nuclear plant,

548
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,000
which is going into the photograph somehow or other.

549
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:37,000
I show this photograph to leading photographic bodies in Britain

550
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000
when I give lectures to places like CoD.

551
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,000
I've not been able to account for it.

552
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000
I had this study by them in terms of looking for things like double reflection

553
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,000
and multiple exposures and things like that, but they can't find an answer.

554
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,000
We don't know, of course, the picture is simply bad,

555
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,000
but unfortunately, a revenue in Southamia, it seems, is already accountable.

556
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,000
I have the bookcase, which is an American one,

557
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,000
which I think was ultimately admitted to be a hoax by the woman who took it.

558
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000
If I remember rightly from John Keel's report on it,

559
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,000
the UFO in the background was a heart and gold egg.

560
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:20,000
Which shows you what you can do with the disability, doesn't it?

561
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000
This is a little taste of your view,

562
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:30,000
and we're going to Miami Beach with Expo to see Mr. Ed.

563
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000
This is one of Mr. Ed's photographs.

564
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,000
There are many others.

565
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,000
The reason I'm showing it is because, in a sense,

566
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000
after you've just seen this photograph of Alien,

567
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,000
typically reflective of what we have so far,

568
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,000
there's some sign that the phenomenon has gone through an alteration

569
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,000
and a kind of post-streba era, and has escalated one notch up

570
00:43:53,000 --> 00:44:00,000
and is now behaving differently and is offering extra physical evidence.

571
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Both Mr. Ed. cages genuine.

572
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,000
I'm still remain fairly agnostic on this one

573
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000
because I've got a lot of questions about the case,

574
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,000
which haven't been satisfactorily answered.

575
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,000
On the other hand, I am also well aware that an extensive amount of photographic analysis work

576
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000
has gone on and hasn't been put into the case of hoax,

577
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,000
so it's still in the belting pot.

578
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000
And if it's genuine, then it's extra ordinary,

579
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
because it represents an effective total change in the phenomenon.

580
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,000
So, I here, who has seen UFOs repeatedly over a short period of time,

581
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000
will see entities repeatedly over a short period of time.

582
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,000
And certainly, he hasn't thought about many of the entities only being UFOs.

583
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,000
But even so, it seems to be a sort of new, daring move by the phenomenon.

584
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:53,000
As for this case, now, this happened exactly contemporaneously with the Mr. Ed. case in Britain.

585
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,000
And this was taken by a former police officer

586
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:04,000
who was working over a fairly desolate road there in Britain called Oakley Moor in Yorkshire.

587
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:11,000
When he encountered that strange figure coming down the little ravine there,

588
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,000
and managed to get one photograph of it, and be gestured to him,

589
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,000
and can't be gestured to him to go away rather than come to him.

590
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,000
And then, ran around, but this is back here of rock.

591
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000
And it went round the back of that and disappeared.

592
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,000
He chased it and arrived at the back just in time to see this typical UFO

593
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
shooting off straight up into the sky.

594
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Unfortunately, he didn't have the composure to photograph that,

595
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000
so we only had the photograph of the entity.

596
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000
So, closer up shot.

597
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000
I don't know if I'm focused, does anybody know?

598
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,000
I can't focus it from here, I don't think it will focus.

599
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000
It's fairly fuzzy.

600
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000
There's four of them built ASA rated films, so it's pretty grainy.

601
00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:00,000
But as you can see, it's from your archetypal, elderly green figure.

602
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,000
Now, as you will imagine, an enormous amount of work has gone out into this case.

603
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,000
I would say probably more analysis of this case has occurred

604
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,000
than any other case in recent British UFO history.

605
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Three separate photographic teams have analysed it.

606
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,000
The ultimate conclusion is that whatever it is, it's actually rare.

607
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,000
From comparative photographs of the site, you can tell that the figure is

608
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,000
approximately 4-4-6 inches tall.

609
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,000
What you call it doesn't mean that it's a 4-4-6 inches tall green alien.

610
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,000
It could be a 4-4-6 inches tall person wearing a green suit.

611
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
And you're always faced with that dilemma.

612
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,000
I mean, you do have what looks to be a very impressive case here.

613
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,000
It is associated with an abduction because the police officer, when he got down to civilisation,

614
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,000
discovered that the clock showed time as late as it should have been.

615
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,000
He was put under hypnosis and he came up with a standard abduction scenario,

616
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,000
going inside, giving a medical examination, showing the forms of alien civilisation,

617
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,000
told secret information which he'll ultimately be triggered into remembering,

618
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
and so on and so forth.

619
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,000
But we still have problems because we don't have definitive proof.

620
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:12,000
But we do, as with the Mr. Edd case, have a well-stepped book,

621
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Escalation.

622
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,000
This is where I wrote the books.

623
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:24,000
Unfortunately, a copy of Tim's version didn't arrive a couple of days before I had some time to film that.

624
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,000
But that's the spade, conservative British presentation of the same book,

625
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,000
in the same text inside, which is on sale here.

626
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,000
And what I'm trying to do with this is, and I said earlier,

627
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,000
try and think around all these questions that we've faced,

628
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,000
and also look for comparisons between the data that we've got.

629
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,000
We now do have a lot of abduction cases on record, extensively documented,

630
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:56,000
so we can look for trends and try and find answers to some of these questions.

631
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Now, in a normal UFO situation where someone just sees something strange in the sky,

632
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,000
we can usually evaluate it very simply.

633
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Some of them turn out to be, well, because there's very, very few, like less than what percent,

634
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:16,000
though the witness invents the story based on information they have from books, television programs, and so on.

635
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:23,000
A lot of them, the vast majority of them, 90% plus, turn out to be what we call eye-effos,

636
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:30,000
identify flying objects, misperceptions of those mundane things that are up there in the sky all the time.

637
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:36,000
And some of them come under this peculiarity of a term down at the bottom, a human AEP,

638
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,000
which we want to describe as an unidentified atmospheric phenomena.

639
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,000
Now, we deliberately invented that term because, to most people,

640
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,000
the idea of a UFO is effectively synonymous with alien spaceships.

641
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,000
And of course, that's a presumption, because the interpretation of UFOs as spaceships

642
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,000
is a theory to account for the data.

643
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,000
It's not a fact of life or a fact of the universe or whatever.

644
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,000
It's a theory and we must never forget that.

645
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:11,000
So we'll use this terminology, UFO AEP, because it's very clear from a lot of these straightforward UFO societies,

646
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:18,000
and I'm talking about non-adductions now, but there is no need to presume an extraterrestrial origin.

647
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,000
There are clearly phenomena on the fringes of science.

648
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,000
It's very naive to assume that in 1989 we understand everything about the universe.

649
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,000
There are things which will be tomorrow's science, and I am myself totally convinced,

650
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,000
as are the majority of UFO researchers in Europe, that a lot of the unexplained UFO sightings

651
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,000
will ultimately be reducible to phenomena like this.

652
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:47,000
Natural physical energies which don't have any kind of necessity for intelligence behind them.

653
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,000
And they represent one, two, three, four, many different kinds of phenomena

654
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,000
which will ultimately understand the physics behind.

655
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Now, that doesn't mean to say that that accounts for the whole UFO subject,

656
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:05,000
because the UFO subject is a kind of combination of many different things all rolled into one.

657
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,000
And asking a question like, what is the explanation to the UFO phenomenon?

658
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,000
It's a bit like asking the question, how do you account for the weather?

659
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,000
You can't account for the weather in a simple way, because the weather is a combination of different things,

660
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,000
like rain and clouds and rains and so on, and all of them have different physical causes.

661
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,000
And I think that's what we've got with the UFO phenomenon.

662
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,000
Lots of different phenomena all rolled into one with potentially different explanations.

663
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,000
And therefore, we now have to face the possibility that the abduction experience

664
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,000
could be an entirely different thing.

665
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,000
It might be totally separate from these simple UFOs.

666
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Certainly we can't evaluate it as that, but we can do certain things with the data.

667
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,000
There are two little pie diagrams up there on the left-hand side.

668
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Those are the percentage of reports in a typical group of UFO sightings,

669
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,000
which divide into different categories.

670
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,000
The biggest block on the top left-hand side, we're talking about the green circle now,

671
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,000
is some low definition lights in the sky type things.

672
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
The sort of things that we were evaluating in that picture on the last slide,

673
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,000
from which potentially could be used as a view of AP.

674
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,000
The bottom green bit are what we might call,

675
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,000
we'll be our next closing counts of the first time,

676
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,000
but we intend to call them Indian definition cases,

677
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,000
because they're not just lights, there's some sort of structures to them.

678
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,000
The witness sees an object, but the thing doesn't do anything else.

679
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,000
It's just a basic sighting of an object.

680
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,000
As you can see, those two things together,

681
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,000
not had a pretty hefty percentage of the whole thing, 87% in fact.

682
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,000
There's types of closing counts of fur, milk and bread chips, of the cake there.

683
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,000
And the abduction experience is that very tiny bit,

684
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000
which the arrow is coming, just a 100%.

685
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:58,000
So abductions are a very small fraction of the total UFO phenomenon.

686
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000
We've got to remember that.

687
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,000
And you can break down these abduction experiences into all kinds of data,

688
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,000
which I'm really going to now because we don't have time.

689
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:13,000
But the thing is, one of the most important things we learn

690
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,000
from this kind of statistical work on abduction

691
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,000
is that they are effectively a subjective experience.

692
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Although there are some cases of multiple witnesses involved in abduction,

693
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,000
the vast majority of abductions tend to be similar witness events,

694
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000
much more so than UFO sightings.

695
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,000
The average number of witnesses per case,

696
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,000
which you can get by dividing off the total number of witnesses

697
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,000
and the total number of cases,

698
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:45,000
turns out that the UFO sightings to be around about 2.6 witnesses per case.

699
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,000
Abduction, it comes down to somewhere in the region of 1.2,

700
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:54,000
very close to 1, which would of course be just about witness per case,

701
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
total subjectivity.

702
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,000
I know very well you've got the witness experience of the phenomenon,

703
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,000
which poses all kinds of immediate questions like how real is the subject,

704
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,000
because if there's no hard evidence from others that the thing actually happened,

705
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,000
you're effectively building with something like a dream.

706
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,000
Now dreams we all know are real because we individually have them,

707
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,000
but you can't prove the reality of anybody else's dream.

708
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,000
You can prove the reality of physiological changes in the brain,

709
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,000
but the dream is something which you can't analyse

710
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,000
because we don't have any way of translating the dream into a recordable medium.

711
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,000
It's a totally subjective experience.

712
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:36,000
And that to a very large extent is what the abduction part of an abductioning experience is,

713
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,000
because we don't have anybody, as far as we know,

714
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:45,000
who has actually witnessed an abduction taking place when they were not directly involved,

715
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,000
which is a very disturbing piece of information.

716
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,000
Why?

717
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,000
I mean we've got people who've witnessed a bank robbery, for instance, in progress,

718
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,000
when they weren't directly involved.

719
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:01,000
And we do have some good cases where people who were going through abduction experiences

720
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,000
were seen during the time when they believed they were inside the UFO.

721
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,000
Where were they?

722
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,000
In one case, they were flat out in bed in a kind of trance-like state.

723
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,000
In another case, they were unconscious on the floor.

724
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,000
I mean, a very interesting case from Australia.

725
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:24,000
The woman who was believing herself and describing herself to be inside a UFO

726
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,000
was sat with two UFO investigators describing the experience to her.

727
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,000
And very sat there in an amazement, realising that physically she was exactly where she'd been all along,

728
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000
still sat with them in the crowd.

729
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,000
So clearly, these cases, they've got the else.

730
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,000
They demonstrate that the abduction experience is not a physically real phenomenon.

731
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:48,000
There may be a physically real cause, and I believe there's good evidence that there is an energy force behind them,

732
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,000
but they are not in themselves physically real experiences.

733
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,000
I could go on further, but I'm sure I've over a longer time.

734
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,000
And I think if we don't have any questions at all, I'd better short-upt at that point,

735
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,000
because it seems an appropriate place to stop.

736
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,000
But I hope I've run the soul of the mystery for you, because I've not attempted to do that,

737
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,000
and I know I haven't.

738
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,000
There are those questions which possibly you haven't thought of before.

739
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:20,000
And if it makes your mind render along different pathways in this phenomenon,

740
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,000
then I've achieved more than I could have expected to achieve.

741
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,000
I thank you for all of your teaching me your country warmly.

742
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,000
I certainly enjoyed myself, and it's been a very learning experience for me.

743
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,000
I've learned a great deal from the people I've met here,

744
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,000
and I'll certainly go away with things to think about, and I hope you do too.

745
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,000
Thank you.